Pontiac G8 Solutions

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Pontiac G8 Solutions

Pontiac G8 Solutions

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G8 Detailed Evaluation

The Pontiac G8 arrives from Australia in GT / Sport Package trim with the front ride height at 660mm and the rear ride height at 559mm. It sits rather tall as though it were an AWD sedan. These heights are deceptive in that the rear wheel arch is lower and smaller than the front. The result is that while the ride heights are virtually identical the rear of the vehicle sits considerably higher than the front. It sits high in the bum. The OE dampers fitted to the G8 are NG – No Gas. These are basic oil and air units installed to keep the price point down – perhaps due to the increase strength of the Aussie dollar.

My initial drives of the G8 left me both impressed and disappointed. The VE chassis delivers almost everything we expected and yet disappointed at the same time. It is a tiger that feels tamed - it feels light and floats in sweepers and at high speeds. This is the Pontiac flagship and I wanted this tiger to claw through a turn. The car sits too tall, is sprung too soft, damped too light with a too much body lean and roll in. Even the ride is too light in my opinion

The all new rear suspension architecture is excellent. The integrity of the chassis design adds depth to the driving experience. The rear suspension has sufficient structure to support the most aggressive driving. The three point differential mount is a significant improvement over the GTO. The sub-frame attaches with a four point mount. The upper and lower control arms are another significant advance over the VZ chassis. Adding trailing arms puts the G8 on another level.

The front suspension is more evolutionary than the all new rear design. The familiar GTO strut assembly mounts to the vehicle with the exact same strut mount as the GTO. The lower control arm runs from the knuckle to the front sub-frame. The radius rod Z bar GTO design has been replaced by a more modern arm. The radius rod mounts to the front with a steel-jacketed hydraulic bush. It ties to the knuckle with a joint. The G8 uses a virtual pivot point suspension in the front. The benefit is that the wheel pivot is moved out from the inside of the clevis / knuckle to a virtual point of intersection that is closer to the outside of the tire. Where the GTO plowed through turns the G8 storms through turns. The scrubbing that was typical on my GTO with a highly tuned complete Pedders suspension is gone from the OE G8 suspension. This is a direct result of balance -- the weight distribution is spot on – almost 50/50 though most magazines have weighed the G8 in at 51/49 – chassis integrity and a more advanced design.
 
These changes improve the steering feel, especially the on center feel. There is no factory castor adjustment in the OE suspension. The radius rob bush is a hydraulically damper side loading bush. This is another improvement over the GTO / VZ. The hydraulically damped OE radius rod bush is in Pedders view overly compliant.
 
 
Adding Pedders 5421 eXtreme Castor Washers results in about .5 degree increase in castor. The same washers used with a Pedders EP6560 deliver a full degree of castor increase. The result of the Pedders bushes and castor washers is sharper more precise straight line tracking, improved return to center steering response and better feel in braking. The EP6560 used with the EP1169 Sub-Frame Bush inserts transforms the G8 with virtually no change in NVH.

The G8 is an excellent car in OE trim. It has the potential to be dramatically better. The GTO arrived in the USA with a more traditionally tuned performance suspension as would be expected in a performance coupe. The higher than the sedan version of the VZ chassis coil and damping rates were judged to be too soft for a performance coupe by many owners in the USA. The G8 arrives as a performance sedan. The difference in obvious is ride heights, spring and damping rates. On your first G8 test drive you will notice that there is an enormous amount of body lean and roll. This is directly related to ride height, spring and damping rates. With smooth driver inputs and modest amounts of throttle the G8 will blast through twists and turns. As a driver you must ignore the lean and roll. The car will go where you point it.

If you accelerate hard out of a turn you will identify the primary weakness in the G8 platform. The rear –sub-frame connectors allow far too much twisting and turning of the sub-frame in relation to the monocoque. This is very different from the GTO. The new G8 sub-frame mounts to the monocoque with four sub-frame bushes. The G8 rear suspension design is similar to the excellent Mercedes derived Chrysler LX platform (Charger, Magnum, 300C and Challenger). The sub-frame bush squirm does not explode in violent wheel hop as you would encounter in the GTO. In the G8 the sub-frame motion results in rear end step out and rear end bumpsteer. This is evident when you run an aggressive slalom using heavy braking and acceleration.
 

 
Judging the G8 by the spring rate, damping rate or body lean in relationship to older less advanced vehicles would be a mistake -- a huge mistake. The bone stock G8 is a more advanced design that performs better than the previous generation GM / Holden / Pontiac VZ chassis. Suspension is always subjective. What is too hard for some will be too soft for others. The G8 in GT trim with a Sport Package feels too light and floaty to me. The car leans an enormous amount, but does hold the line through tight turns. High speed cruising feels just a bit light. It is not in any way unstable, but it is too light for my taste. It doesn’t inspire the same confidence you would experience in a Benz or BMW. Just as the GTO was a significant step up in the GM performance coupe tradition from the F-Body the G8 is a huge advance from the GTO. There are differences of substance. The G8 should be a smooth ride luxury performance sedan. If you are expecting ZO6 Corvette flat corning, you bought the wrong car. If you were expecting a BMW the G8 is close but not close enough.

G8 Low Hanging Fruit

1. Sub-Frame Bushing Inserts, Pedders EP1169
2. Front Radius Rod Bushes with eXtreme Castor Washers, Pedders EP6560
3. Front and Rear Lowering Coils: Pedders 2954 & 2955
4. Pedders GSR Front Struts: 9464L & 9464R
5. Pedders GSR Rear Struts: 9295
 

EP1169 G8 sub-frame bush PDF

Adding Pedders sub-frame inserts to the G8 completely changes the character of the vehicle. GM did it right with the mounting point. The G8 sub-frame mounts with two long ‘pilots’ from the monocoque passing through the larger rear pair of sub-frame bushes. The installation of these eight inserts seemed to reduce the trace amounts of noise from sub-frame to monocoque contact under extremely aggressive maneuvers. The car becomes significantly more predictable which is a surprise as the platform was already very good. Pedders engineers did a brilliant job of using the existing sub-frame bushes. This simplifies installation and reduces your completed costs for parts and labor. This is hands down the biggest bang for the buck mod for the G8.

With a more predictable rear suspension from the installation of Pedders EP1169, your next limiting factor is the ride height and damping rate. The G8 is a luxury performance sedan. You don’t want top turn this world class vehicle into a boy-racer kidney-belt required hot rod. To that end the changes in ride height for the G8 are roughly 20mm in the front with fresh Pedders 5851 strut mounts and 40mm in the rear. These changes allow the car to sit with a slight front to rear rake 622mm rear and 640mm front.

The G8 does use the same strut mount, the exact same strut mount as the GTO. We are finding 4 to 6mm of compression in fresh off the boat G8s. A modest increase in spring rate paired with Pedders nitrogen charged GSR dampers bring the G8 to life. Pedderised it drives like true performance sedan while retaining a luxury sedan like ride. It is easy to drive this car hard. The light sensation at high speed is gone. The rear step out, the rear bumpsteer, is banished. Suspension travel with your lowered ride height is long enough to be supple over most any road while delivering an amazing driving experience. Does it have more body lean and role than a maxed out GTO – it does. Does it ride better than a GTO – yes it does. Does it drive better than a GTO – yes it does.

Because the Pedderised G8 is so quiet and composed, high speeds seem to occur in slow motion. The G8 is a serious vehicle for the sophisticated driver that truly appreciates sophisticated automobiles. Because it is so balanced the Pedderised G8 is almost effortless to drive. Stability and Predictability are the primary characteristics that will leave you with SEGS. Take your time and learn the limits of your newly Pedderised G8 on a road course or an autocross. A Pedderised G8 is as weapon of higher priced vehicle destruction with minor suspension upgrades.


Special Attention Required

There are some concerns we have after getting into the G8 Pedderisation. While the wear of the OE strut mount bush in the GTO is well documented, there is some cause for concern with the use of the same mount in the G8. In the GTO, the upper spring perch / bearing plate had a rather modest angle. In the new G8 the upper spring perch / strut bearing plate is on a more aggressive angle. This increases the clearance between the strut tub and the tire sidewall. There is no cause for concern that we will see strut rub in the G8. What we will see, in my opinion, is wear in the strut mount as a result of the increased load on the strut mount from the angle of the spring perch / bearing plate. New information from GM indicates the design of the G8 bearing plate / upper spring perch will decrease the loads on the strut mount. When examined out of the car, it appears to be under load before being installed in the vehicle. According to GM, when installed in the vehicle there should be less load on the strut mount bush. We will all know from real world experience as we accumulate miles on the Pedders G8 and see more G8s with miles in Pedders Shops in the USA and AU. The update from Pedders Shops in AU -- they are seeing no unusual where on the G8 OE strut mount bush. We are seeing wear. The harder you drive the faster the G8 strut mounts will wear. Pedders 5851 has been designed for sever duty cycles making it the ideal strut mount for the enthusiast driver.

Before we wring our hands about this, the removal and installation of new strut mounts is roughly a 90 minute job. Replacing the mount with an OE or Pedders bit will be roughly $80 in parts. That is a small price to pay in annual maintenance cost to drive such an exciting luxury performance sedan. If you visit the BMW forums you will find that BMW has numerous issues with various suspension bushes. Even the ultimate driving machine has bush failures. Once again it is my opinion that the driving style of the performance luxury sedans contributes to the issues. Performance vehicles require performance based maintenance programs. An annual alignment, strut mount replacement including parts and labor is less expensive than picking up a cup of coffee at Starbucks on your way to work.

On the G8s we have seen on racks, the driver’s side parking brake cable was stretched across a hard metal sub-frame edge. GM / Holden / Pontiac seem to be aware of the chafe potential. The cable is protected by a yellow or gree plastic anti-chafe device. These two cars had already shown signs of wear in the plastic. We wrapped them with a piece of heat hose zip tied in place and suggest you do the same. It is a short list.


Pedderisation: Pontiacs, Businesses and People

Pedders USA, LLC will be campaigning a Pedderised G8. We picked up and Pedderise my new G8 at Brian Harris Pontiac Buick GMC on April 8, 2008 – THANK YOU William Southall!. With the help of their lead Pedders technician we will install a full Pedders eXtreme Suspension before my family and I drive our new G8 from Slidell, Louisiana to West Olive, Michigan. We’ll post photos of the car before, during, after and include our road trip. That is the first leg of our trip in the G8 build.
With the assistance of CarboTech we upgraded the brake pads. ProCharger, our original marketing partner. ProCharger has prototyped and installed their G8 forced induction system. 480 RWHP WOW!
 
 
Corsa has installed a prototype exhaust. Backstreet Performance did an exceptional job with the installation of oil, power steering and transmission coolers.
 
 
Forgeline 19x9.5 wheels with Michelin 265/35 XL Pilot Sport II tires. We now have more than 15,000 miles on our G8 along with some amazing new pre-production bits. The car is nothing short of amazing. It can sustain .94 on the skid pad with Pedders and the OE Bridgestone Potenza 050 factory tires and peaks at .97. With the new Pilot Sports we expect to see 1G on the pad! As we close this installment of Pedderise My G8, we want to mention how excited we are to be involved with Pontiac community, the GTO community, G8 Community and the automotive community. Pedders car culture is an amazing blend of diverse groups of people with a common interest that we invite all enthusiasts to join. The G8 project will take us to places we never dreamed of and people that that will become new friends as did our original journey with GTO Justice Wide-Body. We look forward to making this journey with you.
 
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